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- Subject: Info-Hams Digest V94 #985
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-
-
- Info-Hams Digest Fri, 2 Sep 94 Volume 94 : Issue 985
-
- Today's Topics:
- 2M vs 70 cm (2 msgs)
- 4 sale bussiness radios
- FCC license renewal processing time data point
- Is my 900mhz cordless phone safe?
- JVFAX (2 msgs)
- PLSE INCLUDE SASE FOR DIRECT DX QSL CARDS!!!
- Radio Shack mast
- Ragchewing protocols
- Route Z31ET
-
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- policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there.
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Date: 1 Sep 1994 00:26:39 GMT
- From: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!prodigy.bc.ca!espresso.prodigy.bc.ca!pantaki@ames.arpa
- Subject: 2M vs 70 cm
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <34315l$5ul@news.cc.oberlin.edu> , pruth@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
- writes:
- > I'm just getting into amateur radio and waiting for my
- > tech license to arrive. I'm debating whether to start
- > out with a single-band (2M) HT or break the bank and
- > go twin-band (2M and 70 cm). I'm wondering if 70 cm
-
- I got my license a few weeks ago and I bought a dual band HT. The only
- reason that I went for the dual band is that it has a much wider receive
- that the single band (I got a Yaesu FT-530). This makes it more fun to
- listen commercial/police/emergency/cellular frequencies. But as far as
- activity on the 70cm amateur I can't really find much in the Vancouver
- area and I spend most of my time on 2M.
- -----
-
- Paul Antaki
- Prodigy Technologies Corporation Phone: (604) 687-4636
- 1100-1190 Hornby Street Fax: (604) 687-1671
- Vancouver, B.C. e-mail: pantaki@prodigy.bc.ca
- V6Z 2K5
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 1 Sep 1994 14:09:12 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!duke.edu!jbs@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: 2M vs 70 cm
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <34315l$5ul@news.cc.oberlin.edu> pruth@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu writes:
- >Is 2M becoming so crowded that
- >70 cm would provide necessary room to roam, or is there
- >always room at the table on 2M?
-
- The coordinating body here in NC says there are no 2m repeater channels
- available; thus our relatively new club has only a 440 repeater (will be
- putting up a 6m repeater soon).
-
- > My primary interests
- >for getting into amateur radio are Skywarn, stimulating
- >ragchews and enjoying the DX, such as it is, that 2M
- >has with the tropo ducts, E and F layer skip provides.
- >If someone can convince me 70 cm is worth my time and
- >money, and that 70 cm has unique qualities compared
- >with 2M, I will start out with a twin-bander and eat
- >peanut butter sandwiches for a while.
-
- 440 makes it much easier to transmit and receive through buildings, etc.
- Seems to make it easier to hit repeaters from in a car with an HT and no
- external antenna, too. Much less frequent interference on repeaters from
- distant machines during band openings than 2m. Crossband repeat can be a
- real nifty thing to have sometimes, too.
-
- > Otherwise,
- >I'll be hopping aboard 2M on the cheap while Rat
- >Shack and others have "realistic" prices on their HTs.
-
- It is a good time to buy an HTX-202. I just got a rat Shack flyer yesterday
- with a sale price of $199 advertised.
-
- -joe
- --
- "When personal freedom's being abused, | "In Canada we have something called
- you have to move to limit it." | multiculturalism - you will find the
- | whole spectrum of races living in
- - U.S. President Bill Clinton, 1994 | Toronto's slums." -A Canadian
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 11:22:23 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!ibmpcug!ibmpcug!rcp!scott@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: 4 sale bussiness radios
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In <tedtrostCv9K2I.F45@netcom.com> tedtrost@netcom.com (Ted Trost) writes:
- >Micah Child (micah@solano.community.net) wrote:
- >That would be quite a drive from Boston for a couple of radios. This
- >group is distributed world-wide. Keep that in mind when posting.
-
- I'm glad someone pointed this out - the plane flight for me to get there
- would be much higher than the cost of the radios new!
-
- Scott
-
- --
- ======================================================================
- | Scott Earle, | Internet : scott@rcp.co.uk |
- | Senior Software Engineer, | AMPRnet : g0swg@g0swg.ampr.org |
- | RCP Ltd, | NTS BBS : G0SWG@GB7AVM |
- | Dales, | |
- | High Street, | Tel (work): +44 235 510116 |
- | Didcot, Oxon. OX11 8EQ | FAX (work): +44 235 511084 |
- ======================================================================
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 1 Sep 1994 15:56:07 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!umd5.umd.edu!w3eax.umd.edu!lifer@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: FCC license renewal processing time data point
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Who's keeping track of FCC's response time?
-
- As I said a while back, I passed the Advanced test on 6/18.
- The license finally arrived! Effective 8/25, arrived 8/31.
-
- Total time: 9 weeks, five days through processing; six days through the mail.
-
- --
- Benjamin Schultz, KE3OM
- President, U of MD Amateur Radio Association
- (W3EAX)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 1 Sep 1994 13:49:44 GMT
- From: yuma!vagus.vth.colostate.edu!weaver@purdue.edu
- Subject: Is my 900mhz cordless phone safe?
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- We recently bought a panasonic 900 mhz cordless phone. I
- was wondering if anyone knew the watt output of the phone,
- or what the fcc allows in the 900 mhz cordless phone band.
- There was nothing written in the phones manual, and I did
- call panasonic to eventually get bounced to their engineers
- who still didnt seem to know how many watts it was. Could
- they be hiding something, or are they really that stupid
- as to not know the watts of a phone that they build? Maybe
- the fcc should require them to divulge the stuff.
-
- Anyone have any ideas ?
-
- -- Brian KD6CFA
-
-
- --
- ===========================================================
- Brian Weaver wk. 303-491-0352
- Systems Administrator fax. 303-491-1245
- Veterinary Teaching Hospital
- Colorado State University weaver@vagus.vth.colostate.edu
- ===========================================================
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 1 Sep 1994 14:18:17 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!keith@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: JVFAX
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Sean Lange (seanl@harlequin.co.uk) wrote:
-
- : Hi peeps
- : I'm looking for JVFAX (the fax/sstv prog) and understand it's now up
- : to v7.0. Can anyone point me to an ftp site. TIA
-
- : - sean
-
- Try ftp.funet.fi in /pub/ham/misc. I just got a copy last night.
-
- JK
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 08:31:26 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.cerf.net!nntp-server.caltech.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!news.byu.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!harlqn.co.uk!harlequin.co.uk!seanl@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: JVFAX
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Hi peeps
- I'm looking for JVFAX (the fax/sstv prog) and understand it's now up
- to v7.0. Can anyone point me to an ftp site. TIA
-
- - sean
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 29 Aug 1994 13:35:42 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.cerf.net!gopher.sdsc.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!raffles.technet.sg!solomon.technet.sg!nunas@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: PLSE INCLUDE SASE FOR DIRECT DX QSL CARDS!!!
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Sean E. Kutzko (tigger@prairienet.org) wrote:
-
- : After seeing Sharon's post on no SASE's for QSL's I wanted to add
- : my two cents' worth.
-
- : I recently went on a trip to 6Y. I worked the CW WW WPX
- : CW contest as 6Y7M. This was the first time the 6Y7 prefix was
- : activated. While 6Y is not a rare country, I've still received
- : hundreds of cards. Many cards included an SASE, and an occasional
- : envelope included a $1 plus an SASE. For this I'm very
- : appreciative.
- : The way I handled my cards is: Those who sent me an SASE,
- : or some form of return postage, got sent out right away. Those that
- : didn't sat in the bin until I got around to going to the post
- : office to mail them. On those that sent no postage, I put a
- : simple note on the cards: "S.A.S.E. next time, okay? Tnx."
-
- <snip, snip>
-
- Well, if I might be allowed a small addendum to this advice, *please*
- send *big* self-addressed envelopes to those of us outside of
- good old America. Nice big 11.5 * 16.5 mm (about 6 3/8 * 4 1/2 inches)
- is about right.
-
- Many of us outside USA use cards much bigger than USA sized post cards.
- Some are as big as Inernational sized postcards. The cards from the USA
- usually have US-sized envelopes that are too small for
- international-sized post cards. Hams *outside* the US almost always
- send a nice big envelope that fits international post cards.
-
- I throw out dozens of too-small envelopes every week and replace them
- with an envelope here that I have to buy and hand address. This is a
- waste of trees!
-
- I QSL 100 percent, the same day I get the incoming card as long as
- the envelope fits. The ones with too-small envelopes come next, but get
- put off if I have something else to do, such as pay attention to my wife (I
- ain't no fool you see). Finally I do those which come via the bureau,
- but they may not get picked up or sent within a few months as I usually
- miss the club meetings due to travel.
-
- I *do* appreciate the thought of those who send a self addressed envelope,
- but sure hate to make waste by throwing them out. I also appreciate the $1
- that most of you send (or IRCs).
-
- Thanks to all for listening. Please pass the word as not many hams are
- on the Internet.
-
- 73 de Maurice, 9V1ZS, from the land of endless summer.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 08:05:24 -0400
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!rohvm1!roh033.mah48d@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Radio Shack mast
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <33vld2$5qj@chnews.intel.com>, Tom WB7ASR
- <tom_boza@ccm.hf.intel.com> wrote:
-
- >
- > I have one, however I use it to support one end of my 40 meter dipole.
- > I personally don't feel it would support a full size tribander during
- > high winds or iceing.
- >
- > Just my option, Tom WB7ASR...
- >
- > In article <wildoneCvBn6A.5FH@netcom.com>, <wildone@netcom.com> writes:
- >
- > > Has anyone used a Radio Shack 36' mast to mount a tribander?
- > > I've got an old high-gain with traps and would like it up cheep and easy.
- > > Any better ideas?
- > >
-
- We used a Radio Shack 4-section mast to hoist a 3-element beam with a
- large, heavy rotator this year at Field Day. It was guyed at the top and
- at one point in the middle. IT BENT!!! More guying would _definitely_
- help, but the thing just had too much weight at the top.
-
- If you're _very_ careful, you can use the RS masts as _temporary_ (e.g.
- Field Day) supports for small beams, but I sure wouldn't recommend them for
- extended service.
-
- --
- John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the
- roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 08:17:21 -0400
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!rohvm1!roh033.mah48d@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Ragchewing protocols
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <33tc5j$oue@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, oo7@astro.as.utexas.edu
- (Derek Wills) wrote:
-
- > pve@dg13.cec.BE (VEKINIS Peter) says:
- >
- > >>And as far as contests are concerned, I sincerely wish they did
- > >>away with them. Whats is the point of 'working' stations just
- > >>to exchange a number is beyond me.
- >
- > As long as you understand that many contesters and DXers sincerely
- > wish that ragchewing could be done away with. The point of using
- > amateur radio to chatter interminably about non-radio things for
- > which you could equally well use a telephone is beyond them.
- >
- > To each his or her own. Contesters, DXers and ragchewers are all
- > allowed on the HF bands, and most of us think that those with
- > different interests are wasting precious resources. I guess we
- > are agreed on that!
-
- I'm a non-contester (well, I work Field Day and the PA QSO Party), but I
- find that I have very little problem coexisting with the contesters. The
- really big ones tend to have a phone section and a cw section, each on
- different weekends. I just work the other mode (another point for cw?).
- Smaller contests don't really take up the entire band, and a rag chewer can
- usually find a spot well away from the activity. And once in a while, yes,
- I have to just wait out the weekend because everything is saturated with a
- contest. But I've got a life :-), and can normally find something else to
- do that particular weekend.
-
- This is a pretty eclectic hobby, which is one of the things that's held my
- interest for the past forty years. There's bandspace for everybody, and a
- new mode to try if your usual one is too difficult because of a bunch of
- other guys having fun.
-
- Just remember, it _is_ a _hobby_!!
-
- --
- John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the
- roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 1 Sep 1994 06:15:17 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!news.uni-jena.de!prakinf2.PrakInf.TU-Ilmenau.DE!hekla!tom@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Route Z31ET
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <Zy9Sm+F.stevenolson@delphi.com>, stevenolson@delphi.com writes:
- |> Am looking for QSL info on Z31ET.
- |> Macedonia. My Hamcall cd rom does not
- |> include Macedonia as yet.
- |> Steve WO9L.
- http://www.systemtechnik.tu-ilmenau.de/ham.html contain also a page with
- qsl infos. The database contains:
- Z31ET via DL5SES (info from March94)
- and
- Z31ET: Box 44,92300 Kozani, Mazedonia (info Nov 93)
-
- gd dx de dl5atp
- --
- Thomas Planke Planke@Systemtechnik.TU-Ilmenau.DE
- Technical University of Ilmenau Phone: +49 3677/69-1465
- http://www.systemtechnik.tu-ilmenau.de/tp.html
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 14:51:01 GMT
- From: netcomsv!netcom.com!greg@decwrl.dec.com
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <CvBo19.FsG@news.Hawaii.Edu>, <1994Aug31.145924.17054@arrl.org>, <phb.778352393@melpar>l
- Subject : Re: Thanks, ARRL
-
- In article <phb.778352393@melpar> phb@syseng1.melpar.esys.com (Paul H. Bock) writes:
- >
- > And for those who still doubt, if you're not a member borrow the
- >August QST and read the quote from H.P. Maxim about why ARRL had
- >survived while others had come and gone. Those words were true then
- >and they're still true, and as long as the basic concept of "no
- >special interest above the common good" prevails at Newington, the
- >League will continue to continue, and others will continue to come and
- >go.
-
- I agree. And I think that it's very important that we number among those
- prohibited 'special interests' the interests of the ARRL officials and
- staff. That's why I'm somewhat concerned about the way that those
- individuals are present and absent in this forum. I see the staff
- expressing opinions, when that is rightly the role of the elected
- representatives and of the membership. And I see at least some staff
- members trying to shape the membership's choices about how they will
- use this forum to communicate amongst themselves.
-
- The struggle which most organizations (governments, religions, whatever)
- have is always 'who serves whom.' In order to keep control of this dilemma,
- it is usually necessary to make some clear policies and take some overt
- steps to make sure that the organization continues to serve its members.
-
- The ARRL is no different.
-
- 73,
-
- Greg
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 31 Aug 94 02:10:19 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!torn!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!geac!herboid!cattnts!ncrcan!coutts!wwg@network.
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <33bhju$jh2@hobbes.cc.uga.edu>, <33jrgi$81d@pandora.sf.ca.us>, <Cv6sov.HvJ@armory.com>ws
- Subject : Re: Remote Stalling of Automobile Engines
-
- In article <Cv6sov.HvJ@armory.com> rstevew@armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
- :In article <33jrgi$81d@pandora.sf.ca.us>,
- :Frank Hausman <fhausman@pandora.sf.ca.us> wrote:
- :>Two methods were mentioned: a remote-controllable kill switch on the
- :>car, and a remote controllable EMP generator in the road. EMP
- [...]
- :>Note from a friend: A typical YAGI T.V. antenna generates 14 kilovolts
- :>into 75 ohms from the the EMP generated by 10 megatons blast at 10
- :>kilometers. Source: Nuclear Weapons & Technologies.
- [...]
- :The only problem with EMP is that if it is powerful enough to stop gadgets,
- :then it is definitely powerful enough to roast your eyeballs too! Might as
- :well make a "death ray"!;) In the case of a 10 Megaton blast, are you aware
- [...]
- :-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com
-
- Naw. A lot of hams have noticed that transmitting on 2 meters at say
- 50 Watts is enough to stall some newer cars. Its not effective on everything,
- but its reported to work well on some 8-)
-
- Other hams have found that it works even better on their own vehicles!
-
- [Note: I brought rec.radio.amateur.misc into this foray]
-
- --------------------
- Warren W. Gay VE3WWG John Coutts Library Services Limited
- wwg@coutts.UUCP Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada
- (or wwg%coutts@uunet.ca, wwg%coutts@uunet.uu.net)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 1 Sep 1994 16:40:19 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!hopscotch.ksr.com!jfw@network.ucsd.edu
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <3397dj$rsb@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, <1994Aug22.151203.1428@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, <1994Aug30.163611.17168@arrl.org>p
- Subject : Re: learning CW
-
- ehare@arrl.org (Ed Hare (KA1CV)) writes:
- >If I were
- >to survey my on-the-air contacts, I would find that they are 99% CW users,
- >but I don't even know where my microphone is. :-)
-
- Well, back when I was a Novice (WN7EEL) I had a QSO with a Canadian operating
- SSB... ;-)
-
- 73, John, WB7EEL
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 16:48:22 GMT
- From: newsgate.melpar.esys.com!melpar!phb@uunet.uu.net
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <1994Aug31.145924.17054@arrl.org>, <phb.778352393@melpar>, <gregCvGH92.7oq@netcom.com>s.cc.
- Subject : Re: Thanks, ARRL
-
- greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough) writes:
-
- >The struggle which most organizations (governments, religions, whatever)
- >have is always 'who serves whom.' In order to keep control of this dilemma,
- >it is usually necessary to make some clear policies and take some overt
- >steps to make sure that the organization continues to serve its members.
-
- >The ARRL is no different.
-
- And I think the reason that, over time, organizations tend to become
- less responsive to members is that a feeling develops among staff that
- "WE'RE the ones who've been fighting all the battles, WE'RE the ones who
- know what/who the opposition is and how to counter it/them, WE'RE the
- ones who REALLY understand the depth and details of the issues and
- which issues are REALLY important, etc., etc. That can lead to a mindset
- that tends to treat member input as somehow "less important" than what
- the staff "knows" to be true.
-
- I'm not saying that ARRL collectively suffers from this; I think
- virtually ALL organizations have at least a tiny bit of that attitude
- at the "staff" level. But, Greg is correct; it must be guarded
- against lest the very things that made the organization prosper whither
- and die, resulting in the demise of the organization itself.
-
- Paul, K4MSG
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 14:38:37 GMT
- From: netcomsv!netcom.com!greg@decwrl.dec.com
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <CvBACx.H60@srgenprp.sr.hp.com>, <CvBo19.FsG@news.Hawaii.Edu>, <1994Aug31.145924.17054@arrl.org>u
- Subject : Re: Thanks, ARRL
-
- In article <1994Aug31.145924.17054@arrl.org> ehare@arrl.org (Ed Hare (KA1CV)) writes:
- >Thanks, Jeff. It sometimes gets discouraging to work a 70-hour week (paid
- >only for 37.5 of them) and then get here in the morning and see some of the
- >usenet participants trash us for our imperfections.
-
- You begin to go down the wrong path when you mistake criticism for lack
- of gratitude.
-
- > (OF COURSE we have a few,
- >just like anyone else.) I don't mind constructive criticism, but it is
- >really more useful and constructive if it is not made into a personal
- >attack.
-
- True. You should not make the criticism you hear or read into a personal
- attack. That is difficult, when it is an organization in which you work,
- or perhaps even your area of responsibility which is being criticized.
- However, I have rarely seen specific names mentioned here. I have, however,
- seen some organizational comments taken very personally.
-
- Perhaps, Mr. Palm, management expert that he is, can dust off his management
- skills and provide a quick course in accepting business feedback graciously.
-
- >Sadly, I often see that we are being criticized for not doing something
- >we already do, or for doing something that we don't do;
-
- Education is part of running a business, too. It's called PR. Like it or
- not, perceptions are real, and people make decisions based on them. If
- people don't see what you're doing, then you need to be more effective in
- showing them. That's all.
-
- > I have done my
- >best to find time in an already busy day to offer the occasional
- >clarifying information.
-
- If you barely have time to produce a response, then take care that the
- response that you provide is not colored by that. Sometimes no response
- is better than an impatient one.
-
- For example, you have here, rather than receiving a compliment with a
- gracious 'why thank you,' responded with a laundry list of why this
- forum makes you so miserable.
-
- Not real appropriate.
-
- > Even more sadly, I have seen us criticized
- >*appropriately* on this forum *instead* of having the "constructive
- >criticism" directed to the appropriate staff or to your Division
- >Director who *can* change League policy.
-
- Now this is VERY inappropriate. It comes across as trying to quash League
- Members' and other Radio Amateurs' expresssion of their thoughts in a
- public forum of their own choosing. For years, the staff, directors,
- and officers have had a forum of their own, QST, and have filtered
- dissenting opinions rather high-handedly. In fact, they frequently used
- the journal to belittle dissenting opinions.
-
- Ed, I don't know if it's what you intend, but it comes across as if
- you are saying 'go through channels, where we can decide what spin to
- put on your expression of opinion...'
-
- As a organization run by the Membership, the League doesn't have the
- luxury of putting on blinders. At this point, I frankly expect my
- Division Director to be reading this forum (I'm willing to see
- the League foot the bill for an account, which may also be used
- for League business-related e-mail, if that's what it takes) in
- order to stay in touch with what people are saying about things.
-
- But I *really really* have a problem with League Staff trying to
- get the membership to not voice their opinions.
-
- To be blunt, Ed, it's not what I pay you for. Express any opinion
- you want in this forum, but do not, under your ARRL hat and signature,
- try and get the members you serve to be quiet. Or to re-direct them
- to a place where other members-at-large can't hear them. Don't.
-
-
- >I encourage all rec.radio.amateur participants to make your views known to
- >your Division Director, by mail, email, telephone or in person at his or her
- >many appearances at conventions, hamfests and club meetings! The
- >info@arrl.org files have a list of HQ and ARRL officers email addresses,
- >postal mail addresses, telephone numbers, etc. See also page 8 of QST. This
- >forum has produced many excellent ideas and a wide spectrum of amateur
- >community opinion. If it worth saying it is worth saying to the ARRL
- >Division Directors, too. All of the Directors I have met feel that they
- >would like to hear more from the silent majority, so their policy decisions
- >can be made based on a wider range of opinion.
-
- Good. Are they reading THIS? If not, then their words are empty.
-
- >The ARRL does a lot of important things for Amateur Radio and offers a
- >susbstantial array of membership benefits. (Ask info@arrl.org to send the
- >services.txt file!) You may agree, or disagree, with some of the policy
- >decisions made over the years, but the bottom-line question is "Is ARRL
- >doing *anything* I consider important to Amateur Radio?" If so, support it,
- >and use that support as a platform to change those things you believe we
- >should do differently.
-
- *I* do support it Ed. And because I do (by sending in my check), I believe
- that I have a right to make my views known, on the corner of 33rd and
- Madison if that be my choice. Now, for me alone you might not be expected
- to stop by and listen. However, if a lot of hams are gathered at 33rd and
- Madison, and the Directors choose to ignore them because they didn't choose
- the time and place, woe be unto them.
-
- And, by the way, I also believe that the staff (that means *you*) should
- exercise some restraint in counter-pointing the views of the membership.
- We are, after all, an organization of members. The views of the members
- prevail. The staff is there to serve, not to shape, the will of the Amateur
- Radio community. Even if the staff believe that will is wrong. And yes,
- most of the staff are members, but as such they must still take care not
- to use their position to overly influence membership opinion, and to avoid
- the perception of doing so.
-
- That is why I have difficulty with an ARRL Laboratory Supervisor trying to
- direct the flow of League Members' opinions away from a commonly-available
- forum of discussion.
-
- 73,
-
- Greg
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